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hello! Anyone from the KPR board? Hello from Ottawa. I heard that interview. It's worth listening to. Provocative stuff. Clay shirkey is essentially talking about disruptive practices within a system. How can we move educational institutions towards a vision of education for the future and not the past? Slow connection, slow person, finally in...Hello from OCDSB Ottawa Very new to this stuff Radiohead did a similar thing with a pay what you can system for their album. Does surfthechannel work in Canada? I haven't seen much in the #expbound column on TweetDeck, you folks must be paying attention... Radiohead's album made it to number one, not sure if it made money though. When the physical copy came out it sold 3 million copies. new version of kindle offers audio and copyright laws are challenging the use of the audio... I find that with the dropout age being now 18 some students are literally being held in school against their will for that period. Tough for teachers and those students. Shirkey makes the same connection to interest based group formation does surfthechannel work in Canada I was at a birthday party for one of my kids turing 19 at a local club and the teens were even texting while they danced. Sufthechannel has some links to content that does not work in Canada. It can be frustrating at points. Thanks Kyle! there's a father son team in japan writing iphone apps as a bonding experience....reported in newsweek last week. speaking of connecting apps... That reminds me of www.worldmathday.com Students love to have a math competition with some kid on the other side of the globe! cell phones are tools we should be using in schools....don't need iphones to bring the world in http://www.worldmathday.com/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/17/the-iphone-could-be-the-ultimate-study-machine/ want to beat a filter...ask a kid! i'll bet that the phones we throw away and recycle are available free from vendors or the community big complaint from adult online learners is that it is "too much work" just too much engagement If only all our students were as interested as blog viewers. A point of frustration for me. it's all about being engaged in your own personal learning your own personal writers craft http://www.fanfiction.net/
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 * kentmanning **: Nora Brown interviewed Clay Shirky: http://www.cbc.ca/spark/2008/12/episode-59-december-24-27-2008/
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 * kentmanning **: Here's Laura Stockman's Blog http://twentyfivedays.wordpress.com/
 * NS **: Hi Nathan, met you at the ECOO conference
 * dougpete **: change is in front of us
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 * kentmanning **: Hi Nathan, yes, it was a good one...
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 * suzanbrodie **: kent manning from Belleville?
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 * kentmanning **: Yup, that's me Suzan.. are you Cheryl's friend from HS?
 * kentmanning **: Obama's Weekly Video Podcast Feed: http://www.whitehouse.gov/rss/speeches.xml [Subscribe in iTunes]
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 * JGoodwin **: can't find a good available user name for twitter =(
 * suzanbrodie **: yep that's me....how cool
 * Canadiancurls80 **: i'm new to twitter. how can you build a network?
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 * kentmanning **: Rocky Mountain News: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/
 * Canadiancurls80 **: i have only a few people on Twitter
 * kentmanning **: Sue - - Are ya' teachin'? Where?
 * dbarker **: Canadian-- you can add me danikabarker
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 * Canadiancurls80 **: thanks danika
 * JGoodwin **: me too!
 * dougpete **: Georgia Wonder gave away their first EP as well
 * kentmanning **: Also Nine Inch Nails made available the Garageband file that you could re-mix.
 * BSmith **: Tina - smithwithclass
 * dbarker **: cool
 * BSmith **: (twitter username)
 * BSmith **: (and anyone else)
 * kentmanning **: Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/
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 * suzanbrodie **: Peterborough...elementary..and you?
 * TimH **: http://www.surfthechannel.com/
 * dougpete **: Will needs adblock plus for his browser!
 * kentmanning **: Creative Commons Canada: http://creativecommons.ca/
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 * kentmanning **: Tim - - good on ya' ..
 * kentmanning **: Not sure Nathan..
 * dbarker **: Did Radiohead end up making money. I thought they didn't.
 * kentmanning **: Suz - - Educational Technology Consultant in Belleburg
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 * TimH **: I think they made $$$$ http://mashable.com/2007/10/19/radiohead-album-sales/
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 * dbarker **: oh. hee hee Guess so!
 * kentmanning **: Read Write Web http://www.readwriteweb.com/
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 * kentmanning **: Also RWW has a nifty iPhone app.
 * dbarker **: Will this chat be saved so we can access it later?
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 * Brenda Sherry **: re: customer reviews - wonder who writes them - not always authentic maybe?
 * Brenda Sherry **: why not create your own reviews for your products?
 * dbarker **: companies are using twitter to "humanize" their brand
 * kentmanning **: Chatspeak Lookup: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chatspeak
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 * dbarker **: too bad the place where we bought furniture isn't on twitter
 * JGoodwin **: Tina-Smithwin wasn't taken
 * JGoodwin **: so there it is
 * TimH **: has same experience via twitter with @thinkgeek last month
 * barbaram **: educators model is not changing
 * barbaram **: in fact going backwards
 * dbarker **: man, and I thought the OSSLT was bad
 * barbaram **: standardized testing is backwards (inference)
 * barbaram **: toffler - future shock rec
 * kentmanning **: Future Shock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock
 * Tina **: Jen, I'll see if I can add you.
 * barbaram **: kids aren't waiting for us to change
 * barbaram **: moral imperative to get kids connected
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 * barbaram **: kids doing school, learning outside
 * TimH **: they "play" school...
 * NS **: Isn't it hard to sift through slander and authentic messages on a program like twitter
 * dbarker **: No way Tim. Play is fun
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 * barbaram **: maccarthur foundation kids use of digital media
 * TimH **: yes - maybe "act" school is better...
 * barbaram **: friendship based connections - friends at school
 * barbaram **: aka fb
 * barbaram **: texts
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 * barbaram **: intra-spaced ways, group forming ways
 * barbaram **: share passion, make a group eg skateboarding groups
 * Tina **: Jen, I couldn't find you, but maybe it takes a while for the registration to go through. I'll try again later.
 * kentmanning **: MacArthur Study: http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4773437/k.3CE6/New_Study_Shows_Time_Spent_Online_Important_for_Teen_Development.htm
 * dbarker **: Kyle: agreed, programs that are in place to support those students are not sufficient
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 * barbaram **: kids do without instruction, contest
 * barbaram **: context oops
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 * barbaram **: educators provide context
 * reed_man **: kids who access to this are going to be way ahead of those that don't $$$
 * Geoff **: McLuhan - said in 1969: "The children of technological man respond with untaught delight to the poetry of trains, ships, planes, and to the beauty of machine products. In the school room officialdom suppresses all their natural experience; children are divorced from their culture. They are not permitted to approach the traditional heritage of mankind through the door of technological awareness; this only possible door for them is slammed in their faces."
 * barbaram **: 20000 apps for iphone
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 * barbaram **: phone replaces laptop
 * kentmanning **: iPhone Apps: http://www.apple.com/iphone/appstore/
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 * dbarker **: need to download that! Anyone have whiteboard app?
 * kentmanning **: iPhone Flute: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/11/quirky-app-turn.html
 * barbaram **: learning app vs connected app
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 * kentmanning **: Brittanica for iPhone http://i.eb.com/
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 * barbaram **: do filters protect?
 * barbaram **: need to teach kids to protect themselves
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 * dbarker **: I'm interested in using cell phones in school, but how do we make it equitable for kids who don't have cell phones? (They do exist!)
 * kentmanning **: Government of Canada SafeCanada.ca http://www.safecanada.ca/link_e.asp?category=3&topic=94
 * kentmanning **: Good one Kyle - - I'll check that one out..
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 * Geoff **: Maybe get cell companies to work with a Board and use "old phoness" (lots out there) - get them to donate time??
 * Pat **: good idea--lots of cell phones that need to be recycled
 * kentmanning **: The Game of School http://www.amazon.com/Game-School-Play-Hurts-Change/dp/0787973475
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 * TimH **: in short term, we will provide the tools still (think back to how we did calculators 15 years ago...)
 * kentmanning **: Will's Blog http://weblogg-ed.com/
 * kentmanning **: Old phones, you're kidding, right Geoff?
 * dbarker **: Good suggestion, Geoff. Thanks
 * JGoodwin **: Most cell phones that are "recycled" don't work - technology changes/degrades too quickly on them or they are not consistent (worked for a cell phone company in a past life)
 * BSmith **: How about stuff we can get, like clickers - anyone use them/like them?
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 * JGoodwin **: great idea, would need to get cell phone companies and hardware providers (RIM, Motorola, Nokia etc) on board as well
 * dbarker **: BSmith, problem with clickers is the lack of ram on many school computers (at least in my board)
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 * Geoff **: Don't want to live the learning for life model? Teachers?
 * kentmanning **: Used Clickers at NECC 2006 -- Any classrooms have them? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/a-new-electronic-voting-system-in-lectures-is-making-a-real-difference-781787.html
 * Brenda Sherry **: yes...we have a few sets of clickers in our board that are shared around...people are buying them now. Senteos actually smarttech's version
 * kentmanning **: Will's Delicious Links: http://delicious.com/willrich
 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - how are the students and teachers using them?
 * barbaram **: personal learning networks for kids, professional for teachers?
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 * dougpete **: "Kids are not waitng for us"
 * Brenda Sherry **: kent - checking for understanding....self-assessments...gathering viewpoints of individuals in the midst of discussions....
 * kentmanning **: Will's video where he describes Personal Learning Networks http://kentmanning.blogspot.com/2008/05/personal-learning-networks.html
 * Brenda Sherry **: and i think a lot for math but I haven't seen them used there personally
 * Pat **: fanfiction.net
 * Brenda Sherry **: both anonymously and with student ids
 * Pat **: www.fanfiction.net
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 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - excellent uses -- I like the instant feedback of whether kids understand. Anonymous too...
 * Geoff **: I am meeting new teachers who cringe when I say I expect the use of computers in their pre-service courses - they will be teaching for a possible 35 years - these are YOUNG teachers
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This looks like a good classroom activity there are technophobes of every age I LOVE HARRY POTTER!! Geoff, that's the most depressing news I've heard all day. there is concern about the content that may be on that site, but I am sure there is a way to bring it in and exclude access to certain parts of it. perhaps they are cringing at the thought of using blocked, limited access school networks?? Employers are catching on to the online communities quickly. This can and will cost you the job. Kent- I think that would work. copyright is not prepared for this kind of writing....not part of law Tina- that is a good point. not sure the copyright laws as far as that goes. probably doesn't exist yet Any teachers avoiding Facebook because of the fear of consequences that we have been told about so often? I can REALLY see my elementary students doing some form of http://www.fanfiction.net/ They crave these opportunities!!! I have avoided facebook since teachers college as a result of the fear-mongering presentations. i can't remember a thing from secondary school...
 * BSmith **: Needs to be less public though
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - excellent ...
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 * BSmith **: I prefer the term luddite
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 * TimH **: http://www.henryjenkins.org/2006/10/confronting_the_challenges_of.html
 * kentmanning **: Kyle -- what about copy and paste the selections required? Or would this take away from the commenting and social feature?
 * kentmanning **: Tim, Henry Jenkins - - can you help me out. Don't know his work. Thanks
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 * dougpete **: You better be Googled well.
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 * TimH **: jenkins big thing is "participatory culture"
 * Geoff **: re. using blocked, limited access school networks?? - I wish that were the case but other evidence suggests that is not it.
 * dougpete **: School boards should be buying ads on social networks.
 * TimH **: we did doug - for SHSM enrtollment
 * TimH **: facebook
 * kentmanning **: I see he is at MIT - - Jenkins -- thanks - - I'll read more about him now..
 * TimH **: created a good controversy
 * Tina **: If you post a story on fan fiction, is that story still considered yours as far as copyright?
 * dougpete **: pre-emptive strike
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 * barbaram **: just googled me. Apparently I wrote a book of plays
 * BSmith **: I prefer using the blog for writing, because we can keep it within the class - and I can give them the tools to participate well online
 * kentmanning **: Tim: Jenkins and Shirky - - Same stuff? Participatory Culture
 * NS **: Good question Tina
 * TimH **: Jenkins is very research based
 * BSmith **: Depends on how good it is Tina
 * kentmanning **: barbaram - - were they good plays?
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 * dbarker **: What about setting up a Ning for your classroom so they can practice appropriate social networking? Is that possible? (still a newbie)
 * kentmanning **: Tim: He's holding a guitar on his About Me page :-)
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 * TimH **: yep danika - see saugus union district in california
 * dougpete **: dbarker - Ning works or a private wiki
 * barbaram **: hahaha directed to the guy 2 to my left:)
 * kentmanning **: right back attcha!! :-)
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 * dbarker **: cool
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 * Canadiancurls80 **: i am on facebook but have contemplated taking it down
 * dbarker **: Not me, Kyle. I've decided to live dangerously.
 * Tina **: I was thinking the same thing, Roger.
 * BSmith **: I use facebook all the time, but have the security so high that it is essentially usless outside my friends
 * barbaram **: I use FB to keep track of my kids and my 80 year old dad
 * TimH **: they use elgg (some as commun-IT), but concept the same (minus the ads that ning has...)
 * BSmith **: Also, I am not photogeneic so there are no pictures :P
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 * NS **: Kids are socializing online without being taught by anyone how to! We need to do something I guess
 * kentmanning **: 80 year old dad, barbaram - - how does that work?
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 * TimH **: York U Fac of Ed has their own in-house social network (edudiner.ca)
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 * keep track of my kids and my 80 year old dad**

TOO FUNNY! learning how to work a system http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm Depending how sophisticated you want to get a blog might be a good way to get kids involved with networking online.
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 * reed_man **: learning how to learn vs. memorizing
 * kentmanning **: Nora Brown on Spark this week interviewed a guy who has his 84 year old mom on Twitter -- Can you believe it?
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 * kentmanning **: Grandmother - Sorry
 * Pat **: one needs to keep a clean facebook page--you are extremely visable
 * BSmith **: link for this?
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 * BSmith **: thanks
 * reed_man **: i agree kitchener
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www.5nt.ca www.56js.ca we have created content angst I took a course a few years ago where they mailed me the lectures on VHS.
 * NS **: Just keeping quiet about Facebook in the classroom doesn't keep our students away from it
 * dbarker **: Pat--if it would embarrass your grandmother, don't post it
 * BSmith **: I have been requested as a friend by students on facebook - but they have no access to anything else other than my name until I say so (and I NEVER say so)
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I was always overcome with the temptation to hit Fast Forward. in-house social network (edudiner.ca)
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - I see Health and Technology on MIT site, but do you know whether there are any Educational Technology courses?
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I am setting this up at my daughter`s daycare. First as a chalkboard WIKI/BLOG, then as an online community. Sorry Kent, can't find education Kent- Carleton U. if a phone can be used to "cheat" change how you are assessing your content I tell my students to start with Wikipedia...get the background info, and then go to the references section at the bottom of the page. NO TALKING IN CLASS - No kidding. Is this no the most engaging conference...and we are all //TALKING//! Kent- I know... that is where my B.A. is from. It was a long, long, undergrad. you wouldn't have to tell them to be quiet! lol yup... http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/ talk is part of processing information I taught a class last year where all my students had laptops. This lecture is reminding me of that. Although Will is a much better speaker than me. I teach Gr 3 - perhaps a different reality, but we regularly pause for small group discussion, critique of content, of me, then come back to center and share our ideas critique and contribute to eachother`s comments.
 * JGoodwin **: My FB seetings are the same - students try to add me but they see nothing other than my name
 * dbarker **: The discussion about "no cell phones or im in class because it's too distracting" reminds me of conversations about "no talking in class". Many now think that a silent classroom doesn't necessary mean good learning is happening. So...?
 * kentmanning **: Kyle, lol, VHS where was this course offering from?
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 * reed_man **: we've made mistakes in textbooks, history books, science
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 * dbarker **: and those take a LONG time to fix
 * kentmanning **: Rob DeLorenzo has a nify blog about moblie devices in the classroom: http://themobilelearner.wordpress.com/
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 * JGoodwin **: I teach them to use it as a spring-board for more in-depth research
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 * dbarker **: seen David Warlick's slides on wikipedia?
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - Carleton -- Yikes!
 * dbarker **: "about" wikipedia rather
 * kentmanning **: dbarker - - no I haven't -- do you have a link?
 * kentmanning **: Roger... implications for our classroom? Should we let them chat while we are lecturing?
 * dbarker **: just a sec Kent
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 * kentmanning **: After all, we're all paying attention to what Will's most important info is -- to us...
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenrd - - do you think they would still be listening to us?
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 * dbarker **: Kent: http://davidwarlick.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiteracyAndLearningNarrative
 * Brenda Sherry **: www.dehydratedwater.com
 * BSmith **: great farce - need sound though http://www.pomegranatephone.com/
 * kentmanning **: Here is Alan November's amazing list "Validating Websites" http://novemberlearning.com/resources/information-literacy-resources/iii-websites-to-validate/
 * dbarker **: I've used that site to teach evaluating online content
 * BSmith **: I always use the "bad html" as the first litmus test to know how legitimate it is
 * kentmanning **: dbarker: Thank you. I'll be checking out the link.
 * BSmith **: The MLK site reeks of bad html
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 * Geoff **: In Search of the Edge - excellent spoof film on mainpulating logic
 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - Dehydrated Water -- Help me.. another "fake" site?
 * Geoff **: n Search of the Edge link: http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/search.html
 * BSmith **: kent - http://www.pomegranatephone.com/
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It is layered, though. We start 'on the carpet', head off into mixed groups, remix groups, publish inclass...in school...blog and leave space for discussion at every stage.

The result is visceral. Student: 'Mr, we caught ourselves discussing et recess...in FRENCH!' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090128092341.htm we are using diigo as a means of editing a document rewrite - professional Will this chat - and all it`s links be available later...I cant keep up! Diigo seems pretty cool. A promising classroom tool. we have a english teacher working with students to create hypertext in a writers craft course Roger- I know. This is a mile a minute. I love it. Could just copy and paste this chat onto a Word doc? Oh. Just noticed the Save/Print button on the side. check out New London Group (1997?) and multiple literacies - literacy based in social context vs traditional view of literacy as autonomous skill
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 * BSmith **: also Kent - Dihydrogen Monoxide
 * Brenda Sherry **: wow that's cool....anybody using diigo with kids?
 * kentmanning **: Diigo - - Cool Anyone used this? http://www.diigo.com/
 * kentmanning **: I've heard about it but haven't seen it used until just now.. Neat idea..
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenerd: Do your students log in and edit?
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 * TimH **: I will copy and paste to the wiki http://expandingourboundaries.wikispaces.com/]]
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenerd: Writers craft -- which tools are they using to create the hypertext?
 * dbarker **: Kent: I did some hypertext fiction a few years ago with kids. We just used word perfect!
 * kentmanning **: Nathan, hopefully there will be a saved archive of this chat so we can go back and re-read and go to links...
 * dbarker **: It was a start anyway
 * Brian **: There is a save button off the side of the chat
 * DerekP **: http://remoteaccess.typepad.com/
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 * kentmanning **: Clarence Fisher's Blog from Snow Lake, Manitoba -- Go Canada!

[|Click here to view more chat history] ... Hi everyone--finally I am in. http://www.amazon.ca/Here-Comes-Everybody-Clay-Shirky/dp/0143114948/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235744617&sr=8-2 hello! Anyone from the KPR board? Hello from Ottawa. I heard that interview. It's worth listening to. Provocative stuff. Clay shirkey is essentially talking about disruptive practices within a system. How can we move educational institutions towards a vision of education for the future and not the past? Slow connection, slow person, finally in...Hello from OCDSB Ottawa Very new to this stuff Radiohead did a similar thing with a pay what you can system for their album. Does surfthechannel work in Canada? I haven't seen much in the #expbound column on TweetDeck, you folks must be paying attention... Radiohead's album made it to number one, not sure if it made money though. When the physical copy came out it sold 3 million copies. new version of kindle offers audio and copyright laws are challenging the use of the audio... I find that with the dropout age being now 18 some students are literally being held in school against their will for that period. Tough for teachers and those students. Shirkey makes the same connection to interest based group formation does surfthechannel work in Canada I was at a birthday party for one of my kids turing 19 at a local club and the teens were even texting while they danced. Sufthechannel has some links to content that does not work in Canada. It can be frustrating at points. Thanks Kyle! there's a father son team in japan writing iphone apps as a bonding experience....reported in newsweek last week. speaking of connecting apps... That reminds me of www.worldmathday.com Students love to have a math competition with some kid on the other side of the globe! cell phones are tools we should be using in schools....don't need iphones to bring the world in http://www.worldmathday.com/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/17/the-iphone-could-be-the-ultimate-study-machine/ want to beat a filter...ask a kid! i'll bet that the phones we throw away and recycle are available free from vendors or the community big complaint from adult online learners is that it is "too much work" just too much engagement If only all our students were as interested as blog viewers. A point of frustration for me. it's all about being engaged in your own personal learning your own personal writers craft http://www.fanfiction.net/
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 * JGoodwin **: I don't have one yet - definitely something to think about
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 * dougpete **: Ready Shirky's "Here comes everybody"
 * Tina **: I am signed up but have no friends. Go to twitter.com and sign up. It's easy.
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 * kentmanning **: Nora Brown interviewed Clay Shirky: http://www.cbc.ca/spark/2008/12/episode-59-december-24-27-2008/
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 * kentmanning **: Here's Laura Stockman's Blog http://twentyfivedays.wordpress.com/
 * NS **: Hi Nathan, met you at the ECOO conference
 * dougpete **: change is in front of us
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 * kentmanning **: Hi Nathan, yes, it was a good one...
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 * kentmanning **: Yup, that's me Suzan.. are you Cheryl's friend from HS?
 * kentmanning **: Obama's Weekly Video Podcast Feed: http://www.whitehouse.gov/rss/speeches.xml [Subscribe in iTunes]
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 * JGoodwin **: can't find a good available user name for twitter =(
 * suzanbrodie **: yep that's me....how cool
 * Canadiancurls80 **: i'm new to twitter. how can you build a network?
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 * kentmanning **: Rocky Mountain News: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/
 * Canadiancurls80 **: i have only a few people on Twitter
 * kentmanning **: Sue - - Are ya' teachin'? Where?
 * dbarker **: Canadian-- you can add me danikabarker
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 * Canadiancurls80 **: thanks danika
 * JGoodwin **: me too!
 * dougpete **: Georgia Wonder gave away their first EP as well
 * kentmanning **: Also Nine Inch Nails made available the Garageband file that you could re-mix.
 * BSmith **: Tina - smithwithclass
 * dbarker **: cool
 * BSmith **: (twitter username)
 * BSmith **: (and anyone else)
 * kentmanning **: Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/
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 * suzanbrodie **: Peterborough...elementary..and you?
 * TimH **: http://www.surfthechannel.com/
 * dougpete **: Will needs adblock plus for his browser!
 * kentmanning **: Creative Commons Canada: http://creativecommons.ca/
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 * kentmanning **: Tim - - good on ya' ..
 * kentmanning **: Not sure Nathan..
 * dbarker **: Did Radiohead end up making money. I thought they didn't.
 * kentmanning **: Suz - - Educational Technology Consultant in Belleburg
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 * TimH **: I think they made $$$$ http://mashable.com/2007/10/19/radiohead-album-sales/
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 * dbarker **: oh. hee hee Guess so!
 * kentmanning **: Read Write Web http://www.readwriteweb.com/
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 * kentmanning **: Also RWW has a nifty iPhone app.
 * dbarker **: Will this chat be saved so we can access it later?
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 * Brenda Sherry **: re: customer reviews - wonder who writes them - not always authentic maybe?
 * Brenda Sherry **: why not create your own reviews for your products?
 * dbarker **: companies are using twitter to "humanize" their brand
 * kentmanning **: Chatspeak Lookup: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chatspeak
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 * dbarker **: too bad the place where we bought furniture isn't on twitter
 * JGoodwin **: Tina-Smithwin wasn't taken
 * JGoodwin **: so there it is
 * TimH **: has same experience via twitter with @thinkgeek last month
 * barbaram **: educators model is not changing
 * barbaram **: in fact going backwards
 * dbarker **: man, and I thought the OSSLT was bad
 * barbaram **: standardized testing is backwards (inference)
 * barbaram **: toffler - future shock rec
 * kentmanning **: Future Shock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock
 * Tina **: Jen, I'll see if I can add you.
 * barbaram **: kids aren't waiting for us to change
 * barbaram **: moral imperative to get kids connected
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 * barbaram **: kids doing school, learning outside
 * TimH **: they "play" school...
 * NS **: Isn't it hard to sift through slander and authentic messages on a program like twitter
 * dbarker **: No way Tim. Play is fun
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 * barbaram **: maccarthur foundation kids use of digital media
 * TimH **: yes - maybe "act" school is better...
 * barbaram **: friendship based connections - friends at school
 * barbaram **: aka fb
 * barbaram **: texts
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 * barbaram **: intra-spaced ways, group forming ways
 * barbaram **: share passion, make a group eg skateboarding groups
 * Tina **: Jen, I couldn't find you, but maybe it takes a while for the registration to go through. I'll try again later.
 * kentmanning **: MacArthur Study: http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4773437/k.3CE6/New_Study_Shows_Time_Spent_Online_Important_for_Teen_Development.htm
 * dbarker **: Kyle: agreed, programs that are in place to support those students are not sufficient
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 * barbaram **: kids do without instruction, contest
 * barbaram **: context oops
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 * barbaram **: educators provide context
 * reed_man **: kids who access to this are going to be way ahead of those that don't $$$
 * Geoff **: McLuhan - said in 1969: "The children of technological man respond with untaught delight to the poetry of trains, ships, planes, and to the beauty of machine products. In the school room officialdom suppresses all their natural experience; children are divorced from their culture. They are not permitted to approach the traditional heritage of mankind through the door of technological awareness; this only possible door for them is slammed in their faces."
 * barbaram **: 20000 apps for iphone
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 * barbaram **: phone replaces laptop
 * kentmanning **: iPhone Apps: http://www.apple.com/iphone/appstore/
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 * dbarker **: need to download that! Anyone have whiteboard app?
 * kentmanning **: iPhone Flute: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/11/quirky-app-turn.html
 * barbaram **: learning app vs connected app
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 * kentmanning **: Brittanica for iPhone http://i.eb.com/
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 * barbaram **: do filters protect?
 * barbaram **: need to teach kids to protect themselves
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 * dbarker **: I'm interested in using cell phones in school, but how do we make it equitable for kids who don't have cell phones? (They do exist!)
 * kentmanning **: Government of Canada SafeCanada.ca http://www.safecanada.ca/link_e.asp?category=3&topic=94
 * kentmanning **: Good one Kyle - - I'll check that one out..
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 * Geoff **: Maybe get cell companies to work with a Board and use "old phoness" (lots out there) - get them to donate time??
 * Pat **: good idea--lots of cell phones that need to be recycled
 * kentmanning **: The Game of School http://www.amazon.com/Game-School-Play-Hurts-Change/dp/0787973475
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 * TimH **: in short term, we will provide the tools still (think back to how we did calculators 15 years ago...)
 * kentmanning **: Will's Blog http://weblogg-ed.com/
 * kentmanning **: Old phones, you're kidding, right Geoff?
 * dbarker **: Good suggestion, Geoff. Thanks
 * JGoodwin **: Most cell phones that are "recycled" don't work - technology changes/degrades too quickly on them or they are not consistent (worked for a cell phone company in a past life)
 * BSmith **: How about stuff we can get, like clickers - anyone use them/like them?
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 * JGoodwin **: great idea, would need to get cell phone companies and hardware providers (RIM, Motorola, Nokia etc) on board as well
 * dbarker **: BSmith, problem with clickers is the lack of ram on many school computers (at least in my board)
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 * Geoff **: Don't want to live the learning for life model? Teachers?
 * kentmanning **: Used Clickers at NECC 2006 -- Any classrooms have them? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/a-new-electronic-voting-system-in-lectures-is-making-a-real-difference-781787.html
 * Brenda Sherry **: yes...we have a few sets of clickers in our board that are shared around...people are buying them now. Senteos actually smarttech's version
 * kentmanning **: Will's Delicious Links: http://delicious.com/willrich
 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - how are the students and teachers using them?
 * barbaram **: personal learning networks for kids, professional for teachers?
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 * dougpete **: "Kids are not waitng for us"
 * Brenda Sherry **: kent - checking for understanding....self-assessments...gathering viewpoints of individuals in the midst of discussions....
 * kentmanning **: Will's video where he describes Personal Learning Networks http://kentmanning.blogspot.com/2008/05/personal-learning-networks.html
 * Brenda Sherry **: and i think a lot for math but I haven't seen them used there personally
 * Pat **: fanfiction.net
 * Brenda Sherry **: both anonymously and with student ids
 * Pat **: www.fanfiction.net
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 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - excellent uses -- I like the instant feedback of whether kids understand. Anonymous too...
 * Geoff **: I am meeting new teachers who cringe when I say I expect the use of computers in their pre-service courses - they will be teaching for a possible 35 years - these are YOUNG teachers
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This looks like a good classroom activity there are technophobes of every age I LOVE HARRY POTTER!! Geoff, that's the most depressing news I've heard all day. there is concern about the content that may be on that site, but I am sure there is a way to bring it in and exclude access to certain parts of it. perhaps they are cringing at the thought of using blocked, limited access school networks?? Employers are catching on to the online communities quickly. This can and will cost you the job. Kent- I think that would work. copyright is not prepared for this kind of writing....not part of law Tina- that is a good point. not sure the copyright laws as far as that goes. probably doesn't exist yet Any teachers avoiding Facebook because of the fear of consequences that we have been told about so often? I can REALLY see my elementary students doing some form of http://www.fanfiction.net/ They crave these opportunities!!! I have avoided facebook since teachers college as a result of the fear-mongering presentations. i can't remember a thing from secondary school...
 * BSmith **: Needs to be less public though
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - excellent ...
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 * BSmith **: I prefer the term luddite
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 * TimH **: http://www.henryjenkins.org/2006/10/confronting_the_challenges_of.html
 * kentmanning **: Kyle -- what about copy and paste the selections required? Or would this take away from the commenting and social feature?
 * kentmanning **: Tim, Henry Jenkins - - can you help me out. Don't know his work. Thanks
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 * dougpete **: You better be Googled well.
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 * TimH **: jenkins big thing is "participatory culture"
 * Geoff **: re. using blocked, limited access school networks?? - I wish that were the case but other evidence suggests that is not it.
 * dougpete **: School boards should be buying ads on social networks.
 * TimH **: we did doug - for SHSM enrtollment
 * TimH **: facebook
 * kentmanning **: I see he is at MIT - - Jenkins -- thanks - - I'll read more about him now..
 * TimH **: created a good controversy
 * Tina **: If you post a story on fan fiction, is that story still considered yours as far as copyright?
 * dougpete **: pre-emptive strike
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 * barbaram **: just googled me. Apparently I wrote a book of plays
 * BSmith **: I prefer using the blog for writing, because we can keep it within the class - and I can give them the tools to participate well online
 * kentmanning **: Tim: Jenkins and Shirky - - Same stuff? Participatory Culture
 * NS **: Good question Tina
 * TimH **: Jenkins is very research based
 * BSmith **: Depends on how good it is Tina
 * kentmanning **: barbaram - - were they good plays?
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 * dbarker **: What about setting up a Ning for your classroom so they can practice appropriate social networking? Is that possible? (still a newbie)
 * kentmanning **: Tim: He's holding a guitar on his About Me page :-)
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 * TimH **: yep danika - see saugus union district in california
 * dougpete **: dbarker - Ning works or a private wiki
 * barbaram **: hahaha directed to the guy 2 to my left:)
 * kentmanning **: right back attcha!! :-)
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 * dbarker **: cool
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 * Canadiancurls80 **: i am on facebook but have contemplated taking it down
 * dbarker **: Not me, Kyle. I've decided to live dangerously.
 * Tina **: I was thinking the same thing, Roger.
 * BSmith **: I use facebook all the time, but have the security so high that it is essentially usless outside my friends
 * barbaram **: I use FB to keep track of my kids and my 80 year old dad
 * TimH **: they use elgg (some as commun-IT), but concept the same (minus the ads that ning has...)
 * BSmith **: Also, I am not photogeneic so there are no pictures :P
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 * NS **: Kids are socializing online without being taught by anyone how to! We need to do something I guess
 * kentmanning **: 80 year old dad, barbaram - - how does that work?
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 * TimH **: York U Fac of Ed has their own in-house social network (edudiner.ca)
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 * keep track of my kids and my 80 year old dad**

TOO FUNNY! learning how to work a system http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm Depending how sophisticated you want to get a blog might be a good way to get kids involved with networking online.
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 * reed_man **: learning how to learn vs. memorizing
 * kentmanning **: Nora Brown on Spark this week interviewed a guy who has his 84 year old mom on Twitter -- Can you believe it?
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 * kentmanning **: Grandmother - Sorry
 * Pat **: one needs to keep a clean facebook page--you are extremely visable
 * BSmith **: link for this?
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 * BSmith **: thanks
 * reed_man **: i agree kitchener
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www.5nt.ca www.56js.ca we have created content angst I took a course a few years ago where they mailed me the lectures on VHS.
 * NS **: Just keeping quiet about Facebook in the classroom doesn't keep our students away from it
 * dbarker **: Pat--if it would embarrass your grandmother, don't post it
 * BSmith **: I have been requested as a friend by students on facebook - but they have no access to anything else other than my name until I say so (and I NEVER say so)
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I was always overcome with the temptation to hit Fast Forward. in-house social network (edudiner.ca)
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - I see Health and Technology on MIT site, but do you know whether there are any Educational Technology courses?
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I am setting this up at my daughter`s daycare. First as a chalkboard WIKI/BLOG, then as an online community. Sorry Kent, can't find education Kent- Carleton U. if a phone can be used to "cheat" change how you are assessing your content I tell my students to start with Wikipedia...get the background info, and then go to the references section at the bottom of the page. NO TALKING IN CLASS - No kidding. Is this no the most engaging conference...and we are all //TALKING//! Kent- I know... that is where my B.A. is from. It was a long, long, undergrad. you wouldn't have to tell them to be quiet! lol yup... http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/ talk is part of processing information I taught a class last year where all my students had laptops. This lecture is reminding me of that. Although Will is a much better speaker than me. I teach Gr 3 - perhaps a different reality, but we regularly pause for small group discussion, critique of content, of me, then come back to center and share our ideas critique and contribute to eachother`s comments.
 * JGoodwin **: My FB seetings are the same - students try to add me but they see nothing other than my name
 * dbarker **: The discussion about "no cell phones or im in class because it's too distracting" reminds me of conversations about "no talking in class". Many now think that a silent classroom doesn't necessary mean good learning is happening. So...?
 * kentmanning **: Kyle, lol, VHS where was this course offering from?
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 * reed_man **: we've made mistakes in textbooks, history books, science
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 * dbarker **: and those take a LONG time to fix
 * kentmanning **: Rob DeLorenzo has a nify blog about moblie devices in the classroom: http://themobilelearner.wordpress.com/
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 * JGoodwin **: I teach them to use it as a spring-board for more in-depth research
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 * dbarker **: seen David Warlick's slides on wikipedia?
 * kentmanning **: Kyle - - Carleton -- Yikes!
 * dbarker **: "about" wikipedia rather
 * kentmanning **: dbarker - - no I haven't -- do you have a link?
 * kentmanning **: Roger... implications for our classroom? Should we let them chat while we are lecturing?
 * dbarker **: just a sec Kent
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 * kentmanning **: After all, we're all paying attention to what Will's most important info is -- to us...
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenrd - - do you think they would still be listening to us?
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 * dbarker **: Kent: http://davidwarlick.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiteracyAndLearningNarrative
 * Brenda Sherry **: www.dehydratedwater.com
 * BSmith **: great farce - need sound though http://www.pomegranatephone.com/
 * kentmanning **: Here is Alan November's amazing list "Validating Websites" http://novemberlearning.com/resources/information-literacy-resources/iii-websites-to-validate/
 * dbarker **: I've used that site to teach evaluating online content
 * BSmith **: I always use the "bad html" as the first litmus test to know how legitimate it is
 * kentmanning **: dbarker: Thank you. I'll be checking out the link.
 * BSmith **: The MLK site reeks of bad html
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 * Geoff **: In Search of the Edge - excellent spoof film on mainpulating logic
 * kentmanning **: Brenda - - Dehydrated Water -- Help me.. another "fake" site?
 * Geoff **: n Search of the Edge link: http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/search.html
 * BSmith **: kent - http://www.pomegranatephone.com/
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It is layered, though. We start 'on the carpet', head off into mixed groups, remix groups, publish inclass...in school...blog and leave space for discussion at every stage.

The result is visceral. Student: 'Mr, we caught ourselves discussing et recess...in FRENCH!' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090128092341.htm we are using diigo as a means of editing a document rewrite - professional Will this chat - and all it`s links be available later...I cant keep up! Diigo seems pretty cool. A promising classroom tool. we have a english teacher working with students to create hypertext in a writers craft course Roger- I know. This is a mile a minute. I love it. Could just copy and paste this chat onto a Word doc? Oh. Just noticed the Save/Print button on the side. check out New London Group (1997?) and multiple literacies - literacy based in social context vs traditional view of literacy as autonomous skill Scratch is a free download. I think vaughan s.s. YRDSB....students are writing hypertextual stories A benefit of all this technology is the environmental-saving aspect. I am working towards a paper-free classroom. Canadian/Ontario podcast!
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 * BSmith **: also Kent - Dihydrogen Monoxide
 * Brenda Sherry **: wow that's cool....anybody using diigo with kids?
 * kentmanning **: Diigo - - Cool Anyone used this? http://www.diigo.com/
 * kentmanning **: I've heard about it but haven't seen it used until just now.. Neat idea..
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenerd: Do your students log in and edit?
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 * TimH **: I will copy and paste to the wiki |http://expandingourboundaries.wikispaces.com/
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 * kentmanning **: kitchenerd: Writers craft -- which tools are they using to create the hypertext?
 * dbarker **: Kent: I did some hypertext fiction a few years ago with kids. We just used word perfect!
 * kentmanning **: Nathan, hopefully there will be a saved archive of this chat so we can go back and re-read and go to links...
 * dbarker **: It was a start anyway
 * Brian **: There is a save button off the side of the chat
 * DerekP **: http://remoteaccess.typepad.com/
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 * kentmanning **: Clarence Fisher's Blog from Snow Lake, Manitoba -- Go Canada!
 * kentmanning **: Brian - - good.
 * kentmanning **: Nathan... good we'll be able to revisit.
 * Brian **: access to scratch?
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 * Brian **: found it [|http://scratch.mit.edu]
 * cindy matthews **: kitchenerd -- where is that english teacher teaching hypertext in the WC course? what school?
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 * kentmanning **: Good find Brian
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 * Trish **: I find this amazing!
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 * kentmanning **: Dan Pink http://www.danpink.com/
 * kentmanning **: Don Tapscott -- Grown Up Digital http://digitalstory.ca/2008/11/grown-up-digital.html
 * kentmanning **: Radio Willowweb http://www.mpsomaha.org/willow/Radio/
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 * Nathan Toft ** from x.x.x.129 left this message 2 minutes ago:

Similar to Radio WillowWeb

www.portableradio.ca

OK - self promotion, but we're proud of what our kids are doing.

Jane and Nathan
 * dbarker **: wireless so slow! reminds me of dial up when I was fifteen
 * kentmanning **: Nathan -- thanks for the link -- excellent. I enjoyed your last podcast on portablepd.ca Your students were on CBC!!!
 * Brian **: 14.4 or 56.6?
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 * TimH **: video for those not here today: http://www.edublogs.tv/play.php?vid=4116
 * dougpete **: Teaching math based upon hit counters over time
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 * www.portableradio.ca**

RECOMMENDED! Saw this - they`re not bad! Nathan and I are on the wireless...so slow we are just sitting back watching the world go by. dbarker- I found it slow, so I plugged in. http://wp.nmc.org/horizon2009/ horizon report shameless promotion:
 * Jane ** from x.x.x.129 left this message:
 * dbarker **: making our lessons authentic.
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 * kentmanning **: Tim: Video - - Very cool. Thank you.
 * NS **: Jane and Nathan, I like portable Radio
 * dougpete **: If we can't compete - http://www.rockymountainnews.com/
 * kentmanning **: dougpeteL lol
 * NS **: A small inititative that I started in podcasting: www.corlissdesigns.edublogs.org
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Is rocky mountain news a level 1? KWL 8d Oh MY!! Tim is filming and uploading almost instantaneously! WILD! http://lemelintrailertalk.blogspot.com/
 * [|http://lemelintrailertalk.blogspot.com/]**
 * dougpete **: A sobering Twitterer to follow - http://twitter.com/themediaisdying
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 * dbarker **: "how heavily do you want to sip the koolade?" hm, don't know how to spell koolade. Is this right? ;)
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 * kentmanning **: dougpete: it seems like a daily news story -- the next set of layoffs. Great find on Twitter.
 * JGoodwin **: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid
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 * dougpete **: If you need a rationale to change, follow the stories
 * dbarker **: What's your yeah but?
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 * dbarker **: Nathan: ha! nice
 * Canadiancurls80 **: is twitter available to all cell phones? doesn't seem to work on mine
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This might work better
 * JGoodwin **: Canadian - is your phone data enabled?
 * Brian **: Canadian: As long as you have txt, it should work on your phone
 * kentmanning **: Professor Wesch's Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/mwesch
 * JGoodwin **: sorry - Brian is right - should just work
 * Canadiancurls80 **: I think so. and I do text on my phone all the time
 * Canadiancurls80 **: not sure why i can't access it.
 * kentmanning **: Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
 * Brian **: Have you set up your device on Twitter?
 * Brian **: (put your cell number on the site